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Reply from Edward

Hello DB. Welcome to Christian Cross Talk.


You said:

Edward, I stumbled upon your post over at Apostate Chapel. Thank you. It brought back so many memories of Pentecostal Youth Camp.

Edward: Good ones I hope.

DB: I grew up in a small church full of poor and lower-middle class (not to mention wonderful and good-hearted) people. The sense of powerlessness in regards to the larger world around us simmered just under the steadfast belief in ultimate triumph over the godless world we found ourselves huddling from.

Edward: How eloquent. And that's pretty much what church is for.

DB: Youth Camp was one of these gathering I frequented.


I remember how exciting it was to watch the small town preacher at camp take a piece of re-bar and smash a flower pot on stage to show us how WE were going to rule over the godless nations with Christ one day.

Eventually I became a missionary, serving overseas for 20 years, under a less violent rubric of "Discipling Nations." A form of evangelism that goes beyond mere soul-winning to the transformation of society and government into a theocratic rule (through the discipled hearts of men). It feels good to know you are part of something big AND ordained by Christ himself.

Edward: In what country were you setting up theocracies?

DB: I remember I took a team to a very small island in the Pacific for an outreach, and by "chance" (to use the King James phrase) another Christian group showed up the next day. We welcomed them and joined forced, but I was amused by their mission statement: "We are not leaving this island until everyone here is either a Christian or not." I thought, well then you could leave now successful. Actually, they left successful a week later.

Edward: We're you all missionaries or using the Church's money for an Island get away?

DB: Now I am, I guess, what you would call an atheist, although I really think of myself more specifically as a Yahwatheist, since I suspect we have much the same beliefs regarding the existence of Allah, Krishna, Pele, Zeus, Mithras, Ra and the Mormon God the Father, just to name a few.

Edward: Well, if you were a dishonest Christian going about trying to mess with the governments of small countries and using church funds to take exotic vacations and doing it all in the name of Christ, I can see how you might become an atheist. May I suggest repentance?

DB: I understand from your post that your mission is to destroy my lack of belief in Yehweh/Jesus/God and to then to subjugate me as a second class citizen and dominate and rule over me.

Edward: I would think if I destroyed your atheism, you would return to Christ and we would rule together, ultimately.

DB: For a thought. For a belief. I am confused about how this works out. If my lack of belief is destroyed, that means I am a believer (although not necessarily a Believer) but certainly not an atheist. So how can you rule over atheists if you have destroyed their lack of belief?

Edward: Good point.

DB: There wouldn't be any atheists to rule over, right? We'd just be common non-Christians. Which far out number atheists. FAR. So why pick on atheists?

Edward: Because in this world, atheists are way too powerful and getting more so all the time. And what results from atheism will destroy humanity. That's why real Christians must rule over humanity, because we love humanity. Of course all of this is in a spiritual sense, but if the heats of men and women change, so will the physical world.

DB: I understand that a common non-Christian who believes in God and Jesus but hasn't been born again, while lacking the superior traits of the Real Christian, still affirms your faith in God.

Edward: How do you get a non-Christian who has faith in Jesus Chrst and God?

DB: Conversely the atheists lack of acknowledgment of God stands as a challenge to your belief, but since these non-Christian God-believers out number atheists 10 to 1 wouldn't your energies be better served in focusing your war on their much more aggregious fault of acknowledging God but refusing to serve him?

Edward: Fist off, there's nothing about atheism that challenges my beliefs. If you knew me at all, you'd know that nothing challenges my belief. Second, it's what atheism does to society and humanity that must be stopped. It is a destructive force, and it is advancing. People will say that the 20th Century was the beginning of the war. The 21st Century will see the battle. Mark my words.

DB: How awful is that? Consider the difference between, "I haven't seen sufficient evidence to warrant belief in God, therefore I doubt his existence", and "Yes I believe in God, but from everything I have seen he is clearly not worth serving".

Edward: The second belief system you described is headed for hell all the same as the atheist. But they are powerless and easily controled by powers. Atheism is a power and a direct threat to the human race.

DB: Islam has the doctrine of Dhimmitude. All people before Islam have three options. 1) convert to Islam, 2) die, 3) retain your religion and accept second-class status in subjugation under the local Muslim believers.

Edward: I'll take the third, do miracles, and end up getting the second. I don't care. I wouldn't be the first Christian martyred. And by the way, for the record, the third power is Islam. But there is a physical war with them, so we'll see how that plays out.

DB: One difference between their doctrine and yours is their most faithful adherents are willing to kill and die to make sure everyone on the planet either is a believer or not.

Edward: That's why they are wrong.

DB: Frankly I find your statements so over the top - even though I know they are the unspoken thoughts of millions of powerless feeling Christians - that I almost suspect your postings are satirical or parodies.

Edward: Yeah, people often say that, but I'm the real deal. Do you really think we are all going to sit back and watch you arrogantly take the schools, destroy all references to Christ in the public square, institute your situational ethics, your abortions, your evolution, your nihilism, your perversions, your devolution on all of humanity and just wring our hands in second-class backwoods pentacostal meeting rooms?

You've got another thing comming.

DB: Or constructed for fun to stir up atheists. Regardless it is great fun. I'll be back often.

Edward: Good. You're an excellent writer and I like talking with you. Again, glad to meet you.